[Cnidaria] Re: Cnidaria Digest, Vol 46, Issue 9

Wed Feb 20 00:10:59 PST 2008

Dear Cnidarian fanatics
this is the message I received from dr Galea

Dear Colleagues,

My monograph entitled

"Hydroids and hydromedusae (Cnidaria: Hydrozoa) from the fjords region of
southern Chile" Zootaxa 1597: 1-116, 2007

has been released a few days ago. I got a PDF for personal use from the
Senior Editor of Zootaxa, but I am not allowed to share it with other
people. If you are interested in getting a reprint or a PDF, please order
from the publisher (zootaxa at mapress.com). Personally, I ordered a hardcopy
and its price, including the shipping cost (to France), is about 45 USD. A
PDF should be around 11.60 USD.

Best wishes,

Horia.

If he signed a form or not, the meaning of his message is that he has a
pdf file but he is not allowed to send it around. If you want it, you can
buy it. And I bought it. Of course if somebody wants it from me, s/he will
not get it, because I presume that if even the author is not allowed to
share it with his colleagues, then I would be dishonest in circulating it
through Cnidaria Digest.

The meaning of my message  was that we must be careful in circulating pdf
files of papers through Cnidaria Digest because there are journals who ask
their authors not to do so (if a form is signed or not is a meaningless
detail, at this point). And the people who do it in their place, not to
speak about the owner of the server, might incur in some legal problems.

By the way, if you want to download for free a 400 pp monograph on the
Hydrozoa of the Mediterranean you can go on the web site of Scientia
Marina and do it. If you intend to publish a monograph, there are journals
that do it, and do not prevent you from circulating your work.

If you want a 600 pp monograph on the Hydrozoa of the world, however, you
must contact the Natural History Museum of Paris and buy it. It is a big
book, hardbound, with hundreds of plates. In this case the Mémoirs could
not afford circulating it for free, and the authors were asked not to do
so with the pdf file that is given on a CD with each copy of the
monograph.

I think that we can call a monograph a 600 pp volume, when they are 116 pp
they are just papers.

all the best to you all
also to dr Galea, who should learn how to measure words and refrain from
insulting colleagues, even when he thinks that they did not report
correctly what he circulated. We all make mistakes, and if one would
insult people every time they make mistakes we would live in a pretty
uneducated world. Maybe we do. Let's not spoil our nice community due to
the unfortunate existence of some deviating individuals, though. And let's
correct our mistakes in a kind way. After all, even those individuals
produce nice contributions and I advise everybody to invest 11.60 USD to
buy the monograph of dr Galea.

nando
Ferdinando Boero
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> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:31:54 +0100
> From: "Horia Galea" <h.galea at laposte.net>
> Subject: [Cnidaria] Corrections to Nando's last statements
> To: <cnidaria at uci.edu>
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> I would like to bring some useful corrections to the wrong statements made
> by Nando in his last post. In fact, he refers to my report published in
> Zootaxa 1597: 1-116, 2007. At the moment of its publication, the Editor in
> Chief sent me, as usually, a PDF file for my personal use. This time, he
> asked me to not share the PDF with other people (he never did it before or
> regarding my other papers published in Zootaxa). He simply explained to me
> that the journal may experience some financial difficulties in the future
> if they fail to sold the bulk of their publications. I have forwarded to
> Nando that email, but he is visibly dishonest affirming that I was
> encouraged to sign a form promising to not share the document. In my
> humble opinion, this is a very nice example of voluntary distortion of the
> truth!
>
>
>
> Incidentally, for Nando's information: Zootaxa considers reports of more
> than 60 pages as monographs, not as "papers". I thought to detect a
> slightly contemptuously mark in that word.
>
> Horia R. Galea, PhD
> (Paris, France)
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> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:00:43 -0600
> From: Monty Graham <mgraham at disl.org>
> Subject: Re: [Cnidaria] Corrections to Nando's last statements
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> Colleagues,
>
> The kernel of Nando's statements are still quite valid. It is the
> author's responsibility to consider the journal's policies on pdf file
> sharing *before* submission. All major publishers and journals have
> dealt with this issue openly, yet there is a great deal of disparity in
> policy.
>
>  If you feel a policy exists that prevents full dissemination of your
> work, look elsewhere.  For most journals, free dissemination of a copy
> of the paper is legitimate (including pdf copies) if the recipient is
> using the copy for academic or scholarly purposes. (FYI...here is
> Elsevier's published policy on the subject
> http://www.elsevier.com/framework_editors/pdfs/waystousearticles.pdf).
> Smart journals and publishers see the trend to all-electronic journals,
> and they accommodate pdf file exchange accordingly.
>
> On the other hand, authors should not expect to be given a pdf version
> of their paper and then be able to freely share the pdf with others. As
> the author, and presumably the one that wishes your work to be cited by
> others, it is wiser to assume the cost of pdf yourself (some do it by
> paying for  OpenAccess) and then be able to distribute the pdf just as
> you would a printed reprint or reprint copy. Its a very interesting era
> for scientific publication.
>
> Regards,
> Monty Graham
>
>
>
> Horia Galea wrote:
>>
>> I would like to bring some useful corrections to the wrong
>> statements made by Nando in his last post. In fact, he refers to
>> my report published in Zootaxa 1597: 1-116, 2007. At the moment of its
>> publication, the Editor in Chief sent me, as usually, a PDF file for
>> my personal use. This time, he asked me to not share the PDF with
>> other people (he never did it before or regarding my other papers
>> published in Zootaxa). He simply explained to me that the journal may
>> experience some financial difficulties in the future if they fail to
>> sold the bulk of their publications. I have forwarded to Nando that
>> email, but he is visibly dishonest affirming that I was encouraged to
>> sign a form promising to not share the document. In my humble opinion,
>> this is a very nice example of voluntary distortion of the truth!
>>
>>
>>
>> Incidentally, for Nando's information: Zootaxa considers reports of
>> more than 60 pages as monographs, not as "papers". I thought to detect
>> a slightly contemptuously mark in that word.
>>
>> Horia R. Galea, PhD
>> (Paris, France)
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
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